Brent Warner 0:01
This is the HigherEdTech podcast Season Three Episode 15: What will you bring back when you return to campus?

Tim Van Norman 0:21
Welcome to today’s HigherEdTech podcast. I’m Tim VanNorman, the instructional technologist here at Irvine Valley College.

Brent Warner 0:27
And I’m Brent Warner, Professor of ESL here at IVC. We both enjoy integrating technology into the classroom, which is what this show is all about.

Tim Van Norman 0:36
Welcome. We’re glad you’re here with us.

Brent Warner 0:38
Yes! Tim, So what’s up?

Tim Van Norman 0:40
Hey, I just started a new class, taking a class this time, in instructional design that started this past Friday.

Brent Warner 0:50
Oh awesome! How’s that going?

Tim Van Norman 0:52
It’s It’s rather interesting to to learn from other experts, much more expert than me on what I’ve been doing wrong, and what I’ve been doing right and stuff like that. It’s a nice, short class, but yeah,

Brent Warner 1:06
Cool. I’m, also – did you know that I’m taking a class on instructional design as well? I heard something about that. Yeah. Yeah. So I’m also doing the same type of thing. You know, it’s just, I think, probably the same same logic. And the same reason for you is like, we want to get better at what we do and what we share. And like, and there’s always people out there who are, in my case, not only better, but significantly. And like, a you know, I mean, it’s been interesting for me, because my master’s degree is actually in teaching and so. So the, you know, we’re revisiting a lot of pedagogical theory on things that I had already learned in my master’s degree program. And so it is a lot, you know, that part is good, because it’s like a refresher, and I feel some sympathy for the people who have never learned any of that, where we’re doing, like a certification program, you know, and so it’s, it’s a lot like it’s pretty, it, you know, the course we’re taking is pretty hardcore. I’m not sure if yours is super heavy or not. But…

Tim Van Norman 2:10
It’s three weeks, it’s with Educause. And it’s three weeks. And when you’re done with that, that’s one certificate, then you implement it as a second certificate. Okay? So it’s, it’s just a significant investment of time. And I’m looking forward to finding out stuff that, you know, I thought, or that I thought, Rog, or whatever. There’s already been a little bit of interaction back and forth. The first first assignment drops on Monday. So I’m curious as to what that’s going to be. And so yeah, it’s exciting to learn.

Brent Warner 2:47
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, today, we’re talking, we opened up campus last week, and teachers fully started coming back on campus. And so, Tim, we thought that maybe today we would talk a little bit about some of the reflections that you might have, and what you might be able to bring back to campus as your, you know, as some of the teachers are switching back out of online and into in person and kind of making that reverse back to what you know, but maybe encouraging people to not just use what you knew from before, but to add in or to consider carefully what else can work or what else cannot work in the in person classroom. So let’s jump over.

Tim Van Norman 3:36
So as we’re reflecting on what was learned, hopefully COVID wasn’t just a time where, well, I’m going to forget this. Hopefully, you you learned something, you tried something, maybe you learned not to do something. That’s okay. But it’s a for many people. I know, it was a time of struggle. But hey, this has got some interesting options. So that’s what we wanted to talk about. And there’s also some stuff that you’re going to be glad you can get rid of. Yeah.

Brent Warner 4:10
So we’ll go two ways in here. So some of the things that were benefits in that you’re saying, I want to carry this back with me. And then some of the things that were like, well, some of the some things will be automatically solved some problems that people had will be automatically solved by returning to the physical classroom because Tim, we were talking in pre show, most of the teachers not all, but most of the teachers probably have experience in the physical classroom, right and are kind of coming back to the physical classroom instead of, you know, hey, I’m starting my teaching career during COVID. And there are those teachers they do exist, you know, but, you know, the idea that like, hey, if I’m coming back, I’m kind of running on this assumption on what I knew from before as compared to, you know, as compared to this as a totally new modality. For me, I think there’s gonna be most of the people listening for sure are having some experience physically in the classroom. And so, so again, we’re talking about what worked online that you can maybe bring back. So I brought up this first one, Tim. And, you know, it’s funny, because I’m like, Oh, this is the thing that the I said that teachers liked. And you’re like, actually, there’s a lot of teachers that don’t like that, which is perfect. Because it’s like, well, we want to see because we want to, we want to point out that like, hey, this works. For some people, this doesn’t work for other people. And for you individually, that’s also going to make a difference, right? Because actually, we often talk about this idea is like, there’s not a perfect right or wrong way to teach, because a lot of it kind of goes for like what works for the teacher, and then they make it work for their classroom, right. And so the first one that I put in was maintaining a chat while teaching or presenting, right? So on an online class, we all you know, in a zoom class, we always have the chat running at the same time as the class and students can leave their messages in there. I can go in there and periodically check. So I don’t leave it open all the time, I kind of go back and forth to it. So that like, while I’m presenting something, I will, I will leave that there. And so my idea, the way that I run it in my class is, hey, if it’s something that you need to interrupt and ask right now, please feel free to speak out, unmute yourself and talk. But if you’re sharing ideas, or if you’re unclear about something, and you kind of have a question that can be either held toward later, or maybe another student can answer it, then drop that into the chat and all either come back to it, or maybe your classmates can answer it right at the same time, you know, together as you’re going through things. So that’s why I have liked chat, but then you’re like, actually…

Tim Van Norman 6:45
So the one thing I hear, especially from people, faculty who present PowerPoints, or such a slide type of thing, that it’s really hard to – when your screen is shared – to see the people, the participants and even raising hands for it shows up at the top, but they really don’t, it’s easy to miss. And also then the chat. Unless you have two screens, or you know, you got something where you can just flip over and watch that. And it’s sometimes felt like, Oh, this is one more place I needed to look and watch and I would easily fall behind and stuff like that. So you may you may be on either side of this, you, you may be glad you get to miss this, or you may be disappointed that you’re going to not have it. But and that’s probably going to be the case with a lot of these different things that we bring up. There’s reasons why people are excited. And there’s also reasons why people are are wishing for something different. So Sure. Go ahead. The next one, using the phone to enhance the learning experience. This has been actually really amazing that I’m hoping people are gonna bring back into the classroom, a lot of students are used to using their cell phone. Now. They were, they used it before, but they didn’t use it for education. So they didn’t tie the two together. Or maybe they just use Canvas, right through their phone. But now there’s more to it. And you can have them researching something on their cell phone, in the middle of class, you can have them using Kahoot, and bring things like that in we’re gonna talk about some of that stuff later when we talk about tools. But think of that, you’ve had them using a device technology, let’s bring it back into the classroom as well. If that works for you, if you can do that, it can be something that would really enhance could enhance your classroom.

Brent Warner 8:45
Yeah. And, and also the, you know, like, this is something that Tim, that you and I have talked about for years before Before COVID, and all those things. And we’re like trying to encourage people to look at things this way. You know, I have to kind of shift my brain a little bit because I some of these, I’m like, Are these obvious now? Are they not obvious to people that we should be doing these things? Or that we can at least encourage students or you know, and teachers to do these things. So now many of the interactive cell phone available platforms, like pop up with a QR code option, right? Like they’re so like, students can always pull out their phones and scan. They could do those things before but I think now that a lot of teachers understand those as features that they’ve asked their students to do in the online class. They can also do in person as well. So So yeah, we’ll jump into some of those a little bit later. But the next one, I think that a lot of people did like is very quick breakouts and very end like not like having to do a lot of sorting. I’m like, Okay, you and you and you’re you’re going to go to that table and you you’re going to go to this. It’s just like click random go and then they’re in there in the breakout rooms. That’s a very convenient thing.

Tim Van Norman 9:55
Not only that, but at the end, you can pull everybody back, right Yeah. And so, I mean, think about it in your classroom, okay, you break it up everybody in different corners, okay, come back together. And you’ve always got people who are strike stragglers and, and stuff like that. And the other that I think with breakout rooms that is going to be missed is when I’m a student in the breakout room, and somebody is talking to somebody else in a different breakout rooms talking, I don’t hear them. I only hear what’s going on in my world. Versus if I’m in the classroom. I can be distracted very easily by what somebody else is doing. Yeah. Yeah. So and So that whole concept is, is gonna be different for for a lot of people.

Brent Warner 10:43
Yeah, for sure. A couple other ones. So connected to that, I think one of the online zoom things that people like is the ability to mute everybody. I was observing Susan Hakavod, one of our colleagues class the other day, and she was funny, she was like, she was happy, because he was having a hard time to get the students to shut up, basically, like, they were all talking because they were happy to be together, which is great. And, you know, you know, they’re speaking and learning all those things. So it’s wonderful, but at the same time, she’s also kind of like, well, it was also nice to be able to just click that mute and start talking. And then you guys are like, can’t keep talking to each other as well. Right. So, so I can see there were that mute button has some real high level power for a lot of people, you know, like, and, and not in a bad way, you know, not not not as a problem. But like, it makes things fast for you to switch into like, Hey, we’re going to the next thing right now.

Tim Van Norman 11:33
Right? It well, and, and that’s exactly the thing, people talking over each other in the classroom, you can’t really do that on Zoom. So the next one interactive videos, I’m really hoping that that continues. Yeah. Because that’s, that’s really useful. And it’s a great learning experience. But I think that there’s a lot of people who are going well, you know, I don’t need to create those videos anymore. And I’m going to do interactive inside the classroom, well, look at some of these tools. And maybe you can do interactive in the classroom in a little better way. Or, or have it as assignments and stuff like that. So get some of that interactivity back in.

Brent Warner 12:14
Yeah. And we’ll talk about some of those ideas a little bit later. But next one, this one’s kind of kind of small and silly, but also can make a difference really, in the class. Like for a lot of teachers, there can be a lot to this, which is creating customized virtual backgrounds that are tied to the lessons, right. So I know that some teachers have they’re like, Hey, we’ve got our to do list going on up here. Or, you know, if it’s like a science class, like I was talking to one teacher, and he was he was doing like anatomy stuff, and he had like, a green screen on and then he would do like a video of Anatomy of a chest or something. So like his head was there, but then he could like point out what was going on with the green screen, you know. So there’s just like, cool, different things that you can do with like this AR and VR, like technology that will disappear, or at least we’ll have to be revisited in different ways. If you come back in the physical classroom.

Tim Van Norman 13:05
Absolutely. The ability to switch modalities.

Brent Warner 13:09
Oh, boy, this one’s a hot one.

Tim Van Norman 13:12
Yes. So but yeah, it it’s important. You could if you aren’t going to be there for that day doesn’t mean your class can’t. Can’t learn something. Sure.

Brent Warner 13:24
Yeah. And that’s a big thing, right? A lot of people learn, they’re like, hey, you know, I think people we’re gonna have a lot of debate on this Tim, like, a lot of like, a lot of Union level debate, I guess on this, because it’s like, Well, hey, why can’t I just have my class be async for a day? Why can’t I just switch it to an online modality, like, I can’t make it to class, but we can just all jump online and do it there. And I know how to do this way and the students know how to do it. So like, why can’t I just do that if I instead of taking a sick day, for example. And so teachers are going to there’s gonna there’s just gonna be a lot of conversation and a lot of ways to kind of make this fair or, or balanced. And so we we might have a longer conversation about this in the future. But it is a big benefit to just be able to say like, Hey, I’m not going to be here. But we don’t need a we don’t need you’re not getting a snow day day off, right? You’re like there’s still assignments for you. And you can all access everything, and you can watch everything. So just jump on in and go do your work. For better or worse.

Tim Van Norman 14:29
Well, I mean, I’ve seen everything from Hey, if you if you’re sick today. Here’s lat here’s the lesson that I taught last semester for the same lesson. Yeah, theoretically, it should be pretty similar. You know, or maybe it’s even today’s so it could be benefiting the student because they were sick. And you really don’t want somebody with the flu in your classroom. Or, or for whatever reason, they can’t make it so So that ability to quickly switch modalities has been something that a lot of people have liked. And we’ll see. You’re absolutely right. This is going to be something for the future. Cool. One other we wanted to talk about is the whole concept of flipping the classroom. Yeah. So and that’s gonna be a huge topic.

Brent Warner 15:21
I can’t believe we haven’t done an episode on flipped classrooms I just looked in, and there’s nothing in there. So for some some reason, somehow, we’re like, what do we do? What are we going to talk about this week, and we’re not in Flipped Classroom says never come up to between the two of us for some reason. So we’re gonna put it on the list of like, a full full on episode on flipped classes in the future?

Tim Van Norman 15:42
Absolutely. And there’s a lot to it. And it can be really beneficial, depending on how you as the instructor want, find value.

Brent Warner 15:51
Okay. So Tim, I want to flip this over to the other side, speaking of flipped to the the things that are like teachers didn’t like compared to in person. And now most of these will kind of be just solved naturally by just being in the classroom. But if you have any thoughts, I’ll just kind of run through the list. But if you have any thoughts or anything that like, hey, let’s figure out this, we can talk about those as well. So a few things that, that teachers cannot do in the online classroom, that has been an issue, picking up on body language cues, right? Like, hey, hey, like even if their cameras are on, sometimes you don’t see like, like, the slumped posture, or the exhaustion, you know, like different things that you can pick up on or like even the heavy size, and you know, those types of things. So body language, hearing across the room, this is kind of the opposite of like the breakout room issue that you said, like, it’s really nice to just have people be locked in. But also, it’s really nice for a teacher to be able to go in a second, I hear, Oh, that’s an issue that they’re talking about. And everyone will benefit from this. And so teachers can get those reminders, being able to hear everybody in the room at the same time. And then of course, you can also more easily see who is or isn’t actively participating in the class. I think a lot of times in the online one, you know, we let things slip or if someone has their camera for we see the chat going, we don’t always go Wait, am I seeing every person’s name showing up in the chat proper? So So those are some of the things that are that you cannot do? Or like not exactly what the same way. In the online class that you in again, we’re talking about synchronous, mostly online classes. That’s kind of some of the things that were missing that I think will become easier. And then a few other things tied back to the issues, things that we had to do. One was we had to wait for people to unmute. It’s like, it’s like two years of this and it’s still just like, Okay, you’re muted, like, and it happens all NetID every meeting every meeting every person every time, like, it doesn’t matter how amazing you are, you’ve messed up with the muting and unmuting because it’s just not a natural part of the way we as humans communicate, right.

Tim Van Norman 18:06
And so with that, also having background noise that’s inappropriate for that environment. I mean, it might be a dog barking, it might be whatever, but it’s that background noise you hopefully in the classroom, can you hang handle that better?

Brent Warner 18:22
Yeah, and so connected to those background noise, I think a lot of us had to deal with, like, walkaways, right, like, I think I think students are a lot more when they’re in their house and rightly so they feel free to just walk away from the computer and go do something, I don’t know, grab a grab a water or whatever it is that they’re gonna do. But it’s like, all of a sudden, they’re not engaged with the class, right. And of course, students can leave and go to the bathroom or whatever in a regular class, but it’s like, it kind of happens one at a time and they’re respected they tend to be respectful of that whereas online it’s like, nobody’s really paying attention to what the other people are doing especially if the cameras are off so then you start calling people out and you’re like, are you even here with us? Right like you at least know someone’s in the room person so that’s an issue and then the last one I had here Tim was zoom bombers there’s there’s probably not going to be coming anybody running into your class and screaming a bunch of obscenities and other things like that in a physical classroom. So So yeah,

Tim Van Norman 19:21
it would be very different dealing with it that’s for sure.

Brent Warner 19:25
So So those are a few things that I thought like those will be issues that maybe will be automatically cleared up or semi automatically cleared up but but we did also talk about the idea that you know, some teachers are going to have to kind of get their head back into classroom management skills, right like like physical classroom management skills, so like hey, if you guys are all split out in different groups, how much time my giving for you guys to come back? How much what is the expectation on on timeliness or on you know, behavior inside of the physical classroom? Right? All there’s a lot of things that are going to come up as questions and issues

Tim Van Norman 20:00
Exactly.

Brent Warner 20:02
Alright, let’s jump over. So Tim, I think it’s been a little while, but I do have a zippy tip for being back in person this Yes, which is we still have to wear masks, I mean, I know the mask mandates are going down all over the place, but a lot of people are still gonna want to wear masks to I think they’re, I think there’s people that are just not quite comfortable. And so I found this thing on, on Amazon, and it was just a little lanyard, that, that snaps onto the hooks on your mask. And then you can just pinch pull the, the mask tight. I’ve seen people I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but like, where they’ve got their masks on, I’ve got a big head, and like they’ve got their masks on. And it’s like literally pulling their ears forward, like, like Dumbo style, you know, and it’s like, I’m like, Oh, that looks so painful. And so basically all this does is it’s just a string that goes to the back of the mask, and you can just kind of pull it tighter. And it’s a better fit. And I’ve been able to go all day long with one of these things on without, like, the stress of like, you know, pain around my ears, and you know, like all those different issues. So, so getting one of those little mask extenders is a small but but big win if you’re wearing a mask, and if

Tim Van Norman 21:15
you’re wearing hearing aids, they become almost necessary. Oh, yeah, I’ve almost had 1000s of dollars blown by oops, taking a mask off wrong. So yeah,

Brent Warner 21:25
yeah, for sure. So, so get one of those tenders. They’re a couple bucks. It’s worth it. Okay, so Tim, part two tools. What do you got?

Tim Van Norman 21:39
So we’ve tried in this last part to not get into too many names of tools. We talked about zoom, we talked about code just a little bit. But now we’re going to talk about those names. And we’re breaking it up into a couple of different sections. So backchannel options, so how can students communicate back to you and you can communicate with your students? And we’re talking about things like pronto, zoom. Okay, and discard? Well, wait a minute, I just said zoom for in the classroom. Yes, actually think about this, say you have a, you’re dissecting something in person in the past, you might have had everybody hovered around this table trying to watch, I guarantee you, the person in back cannot see nearly as well as the person in front. So now we have ways of using Zoom. And now they can see it on their device, you can record it, not record it, whatever that is. But you don’t need audio, they can hear you talk, but you can have that inside the classroom. And you can have chat, as we talked about before, whatever. Also outside the classroom. Now this I know, it’s been something that I know a lot of faculty have loved a lot of students have loved is, hey, they can actually interact with other people in their class, right? And that’s where discord or pronto comes in. And you can have these different tools that allow that instant communication, or even delayed communication with you, between you and your students, your student to student, they can record video they can there’s a lot of different things that’s still here, just because we’re not online, doesn’t mean that’s not available.

Brent Warner 23:27
Yeah. And I think a lot of students will continue to appreciate that. I, you know, a lot of teachers, and I think we’ve even talked about it to the idea of like, Hey, have a discussion board, that’s for open questions and conversations, but those discussion boards don’t really feel like a chat, right? Like, they feel like Okay, I gotta go into this thing. And I got to go create a topic. And then I have to go, you know, like all of these types of things. Whereas compared to just a simple chat in discord, or pronto, or whatever it is, they can just go, Hey, I have a question about this, right? And I’ve got students, I’ve seen them, you know, just the other day as a student, like, hey, what do I do in this case, and another student jumped in before I even had a chance to look at it responded right there, it was easy, they’re part of that already. And so I think there’s a bigger barrier to entry in using the discussion boards as chats or you know, like, like Canvas discussions, or whatever else it is. And so I love that as a way and then with discord too, you know, a lot of get a lot of students are into the gaming thing. And so like, they might just be like, hey, just see me like, I’m just gaming, you can come and join me on the you know, like, come check it out, or come together and join with me in the game. So like non academic related things and just socializing through some of these is also a great option as well.

Tim Van Norman 24:41
Absolutely.

Brent Warner 24:44
Next one up, we talked about some video responses. So, you know, I think a lot of us have used things like Flipgrid and paddlin. We’ve We’ve certainly talked about them on the show. But you know, when those first first starting to get big was, you know, pre COVID everybody was using Seeing them physically, like, hey, go outside, go take a video talk about this, right and so. So I’m hoping that a lot of people are going to not drop those tools and kind of recognize that like, hey, I can, you know, record something and, and keep it for posterity or keep it for, you know, as an assignment. So one thing, you know, just a simple example is that, like, students can record themselves as they’re stepping into an activity. So let’s say they’re doing some sort of science experiment in a science class, right? And they, they’re gonna make their predictions. So they could make their predictions on a Flipgrid, or on a Padlet, and kind of talk about that. And then they can leave that up there. And they could actually compare what their predictions were to other people’s predictions. And of course, you could do that by chatting with people, right. But I like the idea of having the video up there. Because then later you would go back and like, look at your honest, you know, your honest what you actually said in the beginning, because a lot of times I think, when we’re when we’re first learning science stuff, we’re like, yeah, that was my prediction. That was what I said, are kind of closer to what I said. And so it’s like, okay, actually, let’s be real honest about what my actual first prediction was. And then I can kind of reflect on that and see what I’m what I made mistakes on as well. So. So there’s lots of different ways that you could continue to use Flipgrid, Padlet, video responses, also all sorts of things out there, worth looking at.

Tim Van Norman 26:27
And this is a great place where introductions, whenever students are introducing themselves, and you’re introducing yourself, having it on video, having it so that somebody can look back at it has always been a good thing. Now, we you’re used to doing this, right. And frankly, you know, that student who never speaks in class, you can go back and watch a video and be reminded who they are a little bit about them. And so then you can call on them. That’s one of the worst things for me is trying to remember everybody’s name. Yeah, like, you know, having that visual really, really helps.

Brent Warner 27:02
Also, really nice thing, in my case, and in ESL, is we have students from so many different countries and like, you know, they have their their Romanized names, but it’s like, oh, wait, am I pronouncing that correctly? Right. And so, so if you’ve got students, you know, even if you think you know how to pronounce it, like, or, you know, if your name is, you know, K-A-R-A is it “Care-a”, or is it, “Car-a”, right? And so, you know, even even if we go, Hey, I know this name, but there are different pronunciations of this name. And so, so some of those things, just recognizing, being respectful of who your students are, and like knowing their names is a super big deal. Yeah, so far.

Tim Van Norman 27:43
Absolutely. The last one we wanted to talk about in this particular segment was interactive video. So just because you’re in a classroom, doesn’t mean you can’t play a video, ask questions, play it again, ask questions, stuff like that. Things like play posit. It was a great tool to use to get involved and stuff like that. Now, there’s a broadcast mode, there has been all along, you can play literally in your classroom and have them use their phones and answer the questions. There’s a lot of different things that are that can take what you’re used to, and bring that into the classroom. So look into those tools, they really can make a big difference in engaging your students.

Brent Warner 28:31
Yeah, for sure. So I think, I think as we talked about before, with the idea of a flipped classroom is like, now I think a lot of teachers might have gone in and done a play, pause, pause it, or EdPuzzle, or even is the canvas one active? I can’t remember the interactive canvas, I don’t know for us, but overall, if it’s active for some people in the studio has some options too, right? And so, so recognizing, like, Hey, I’ve used this already. And now I could actually set myself up. So like I said, we’ll do a full episode on that in the future. But a flipped classroom is basically where you’re kind of moving your lecture time and your you know, your topic time into videos, and then your active work is physically in the class, right? And so, if you have that video with some interactive questions, and some call and response and you know, a couple, multiple choices, or whatever, then it shows Hey, the students actually did go through those things. They basically understood what was going on. And then classroom time becomes about like working through the actual the work itself and showing that you can do those things so so those are, you know, a great if you said hey, I’ve never done a flipped classroom where it seems intimidating. Oh, but I did do EdPuzzle or I did do play pause it. And it’s like, well, you’re halfway there are more than halfway there. And so I think there’s a lot of great options for people to continue to play with there as well. Absolutely. So Tim, we’re gonna To wrap up here, but I think the big the big conversation here, the thing that we really want people to walk away with is don’t drop all the cool stuff you’ve learned last couple of years, right? Think carefully about and we might have missed quite a lot. I’m sure we missed quite a bit. So, but but still Yeah, like, what what’s out there? What can you do? What can you make work? And then, you know, how can you re adjust it and it might be like a small thing, or it might be like, Oh, I really like this thing. And I want to figure out a way to use it with my students. And, you know, be creative, be exploratory, you know, try these different things. And I guess that’s really what I want to encourage people to think about as they move back into the class if, if that’s a new move for for listeners.

Tim Van Norman 30:46
And along those lines, ask questions. There are other faculty, there are instructional designers, instructional technologists, who would love to help you figure out how to implement that in your class? Yeah, so if you got an idea, let us know. Go for it.

Brent Warner 31:02
I’m gonna that was a great way to end but I’m gonna add one more ask your students to because they’re gonna, they’re gonna be like, hey, this was awesome when we did this thing. And now we can’t we’re not doing it anymore. Why not? Right? Oh, here’s a new way. Like, what do you guys think? And how would you like to do this in the future as well, so lots of different people to ask.

Tim Van Norman 31:23
Thank you for listening today. In this episode, we talked about what you’ll bring back when you return to campus. For more information about this show, please visit our website at thehigheredtechpodcast.com. There you will find our podcast and links to the information we’ve covered.

Brent Warner 31:38
As always, we do want your feedback. So please go to thehigheredtechpodcast.com and let us know your thoughts. If you have ideas for future shows, there is a link over there where you can give us your topic ideas.

Tim Van Norman 31:50
For everyone at IVC. That’s listening. If you need help with technology questions, please contact IVC tech support at extension 5696 or by emailing IVC tech@ivc.edu. If you have questions about technology in your classroom, please contact me Tim Van Norman at tvannorman@ivc.edu.

Brent Warner 32:08
And if you want to reach out to me about the show, you can find me on Twitter or Instagram at @BrentGWarner.

Tim Van Norman 32:14
I’m Tim VanNorman,

Brent Warner 32:16
and I’m Brent Warner and we hope this episode has helped you on the road from possibility to actuality. See some of you on campus.