Brent Warner
This is the HigherEdTech podcast, Season Four, Episode Nine: Mid Year Maintenance

Tim Van Norman
Welcome to today’s HigherEdTech Podcast. I’m Tim Van Norman, the instructional technologist here at Irvine Valley College.

Brent Warner
And I’m Brent Warner, Professor of ESL here at IVC. We both enjoy integrating technology into the classroom, which is what this show is all about.

Tim Van Norman
Welcome. We’re glad you’re here with us. So Thanksgiving,

Brent Warner
Done!

Tim Van Norman
How are things going? Countdown..

Brent Warner
Yeah, I know. Like, as you know, we kind of get into this like, it’s a mad dash at the end, right? As soon as as soon as Thanksgiving ends, it’s like that weird three ish, three and a half ish weeks of like, finish everything inside of there. It’s very, it’s always strange, a little bit. But But yeah, we’re in the dash. And. And, Tim, we’re doing a little bit of pre recording. But, you know, by the time this episode comes out on the first you will have, you will have yesterday done to try and trick my students into understanding the grammar there. You will have yesterday done a presentation for a duchy.

Tim Van Norman
Yes. So on the last day of November, what I’m presenting on Canvas Trust, which is a topic we’ll bring into an episode next semester. Canvas trust is a relationship between different instances of Canvas and how to make that work. And we’re doing a lot of it here. And so I’m presenting on that at this conference in Sacramento. So that should be fun.

Brent Warner
Yeah, great. So today, we’re going to little early this year, Tim, we kind of do these end of semester conversations pretty regularly try and just give people reminders on things of what they might want to be considering or thinking about. This year, we’re kind of blending that with end of semester, beginning of semester, we’re doing a whole maintenance thing, just like all the little bits that you might want to think about. Some of these will be repeated from previous years. But I always need the I’m like, Wait, what are all these things I’m supposed to do so. So we’re going to talk a little bit about that kind of split it up into end of semester and, and prepping for the spring. And I think we should jump right into it.

Tim Van Norman
Let’s do it. So, so far this season, we’ve had a number of interviews, we’ve talked to a bunch of different people. We’ve just done a lot of different things this semester. Loved it on the show, and we’ve just had a lot of things going on, especially in education. Yeah. So Canvas is making changes. final projects are going on final exams about to start

Brent Warner
schools are making changes. So I know we’re we’re still struggling a lot with like the online versus in person thing, right. Like there’s lots of conversations going around for I think all the California Community Colleges are still struggling, like just trying to figure out what what all future is going to look like throughout this. But But that’s something as well, right? Just absolutely things that we’ve been talking about things we’ve been figuring out. But one, go ahead and go back to previous episodes, semester. But But right now, Tim, what are the things that you’re starting to see for either changes things to be aware of things that are going to kind of help us wrap out this semester?

Tim Van Norman
So first of all, Canvas is making some changes. I’ll tell you one thing Canvas changed. But it’s a non change kind of sounds weird. But for those of us and I’m including myself in this group, who are last year, we’re looking at Canvas saying hey, you’re not going to be forced to go to New quizzes in the middle of this current year. They gave us another early Christmas present and said for the foreseeable future, you will be forced to use new quizzes. Hey, this I exactly No thank you. It’s it is amazing. We’re we’re very, very thankful that they’ve done that because there’s some changes that I really feel like need to be made before they’re ready to go. And so until that happens to know that Canvas is not forcing us to change is really beneficial. So yeah, they’re still not making changes to the old, the classic quizzes, but at least they’re not saying a year from now. You’re done.

Brent Warner
due to a broken system. Quite Yeah, exactly.

Tim Van Norman
Exactly. So a couple of things, though, that they’ve released and these have to V chain have to be allowed at a at a sub account or even main account level. But then in your class, you can make the changes yourself. There’s two things that Canvas has released lately that are absolutely amazing. And one of them is online attendance. So in new Analytics, you can turn it on so that it’ll say up at the top, online attendance, and then you as the instructor, if you’re teaching an online class can say, oh, anytime a student does this, I’m gonna count it towards attendance that day. So one of the big complaints that we had completely justified completely understandable. Over COVID. And anytime you have an online class, that’s not synchronous. How do you know if the students are ever doing anything in the class? When did they do it? What’s the last time they did it? How did they participate? What is participation mean? So what Canvas did is they gave a checkbox. And you can say they viewed any page. They logged in, they saw your homepage that counts as attendance, or you could not have it be that they posted anything. So a discussion, they submitted an assignment, they submitted a quiz, they started taking the quiz, at least anything like that, that will count as attendance. So a student can, you can tell by day when they did it. So now you can tell that they’re actually going in on a weekly basis. And frankly, from my perspective, this is amazing for analytics. So you could see one of the theories we have is a teacher students who take classes online, many of them only take classes only are in class on Saturday and Sunday. Oh, okay. Okay. It’s a theory. Yeah. Because you don’t you see, you know, 2% of your class, or two students in your class submit during the week, and then all of a sudden, on Saturday, between Saturday and Sunday night. Everything’s done? Well, this gives you the ability to look at that and go, Oh, yes, that’s what’s happening, or no, they’re actually spreading it out across a week, or whatever it is. So you can actually see this checkboxes for yourself.

Brent Warner
Nice, nice.

Tim Van Norman
It’s a really neat feature.

Brent Warner
question, is this does this have any? I don’t know how to say this, like sneaky ways, like, do students know what the thing that’s going to give them? The credit for attendance is or can that be? And I’m not saying I want to do this, I’m just wondering what the technology is like, could it be hidden, so it’s like, hey, you’ve got seven different things in here, one of them is going to give you the attendance for this week.

Tim Van Norman
So you as the instructor, choose what you want to do to be attendance. And it will be that for every week, and it will recalculate back. So if you changed it today, even though we’re 10 weeks or whatever, into the semester, 1213, whatever it is, into the semester, it would recalculate all the way back to the beginning of the semester. Oh, so

Brent Warner
it’s, so it has to go. So your your class would have to be pretty uniform every week, then to be able to make that work?

Tim Van Norman
Well, but you could say, So you select the multiple things to get that together make it work. So for instance, you might say they have to post to a discussion, or they have to submit a quiz or they have to submit an assignment, or they have to even just touch any page.

Brent Warner
Okay. The would the students and the students see what that thing is, though? That’s giving them the attendance or do they not know necessarily so far

Tim Van Norman
as I can tell? And I don’t know for sure. That’s a good question. So far as I can tell, you can’t, they can’t tell exactly what that means.

Brent Warner
Okay. Okay. Well, that’s interesting. I mean, I don’t know if that’s good or bad. I mean, there’s that whole week, you know, what’s the relationship between what you’re doing and everything. But it’s interesting to know whether or not like if the students can see that or can’t see that? I’m just kind of thinking that like, every week, I have different types of assignments going on. And so I’m not sure it would be great if there’s a way and I’m in there may be a way to customize it week by week. And so I say, hey, when you log in this week, this is the thing that’s going to end up giving the students attendance when you log in next week is going to be something different, right?

Tim Van Norman
Yeah, at this point, Canvas is trying to be simple. And just say, check all that apply, right? And if any one of those is accurate, this week, they attended, or that day they attended, I could

Brent Warner
see it where they could where if you have modules set up, right, and then you could just go on to the individual assignment or page or whatever. Like, you could just click the three dots on the modules page and say, you know, use this as attendance checker for this week or something like that, too, right. So there can be different ways to play around with it. But that’s interesting, at least start taking a look at that. And then the second one here, Tim, that you said published page date.

Tim Van Norman
Yes. So in pages you can have it turned on to where it publishes on a particular date, date and time. So for most people is probably doesn’t mean anything, it wouldn’t be useful. But if you open up your modules ahead of time, and you want students to see things at a particular time. Now, this gives you the ability to do that you don’t have to wait and hit publish on the page,

Brent Warner
there’s probably a lot of people doing didn’t already exist. And that only exists in assignments. Right?

Tim Van Norman
Correct. So assignments, assignments, quizzes, discussions, those types of things, all have had it all along. But in pages themselves, you had did not have the ability to do that. You could, however, do it in modules, and set this module to release at a particular time. So this just gives you a little bit more granularity. Especially, there’s some people who absolutely hate modules. And so they set up their course in a very different way. And so this gives you the ability to have things happen on a timing, even though it didn’t, you know, it’s not ready yet for you. So it’s, it’s anything they can do to let you have everything prepared. So at midnight, when you’re asleep, you can release it. I like. And so it’s got some, I don’t think this is going to be great for everybody. But it’s going to there’s a couple of people who are really going to look at that and go, Man, this is the greatest thing in the world. So

Brent Warner
I can see that for sure. Okay. What else should we be thinking about?

Tim Van Norman
Well, think about your final projects. How are you having them turn it in? It’s a time face to face class online class, that doesn’t matter. What about using video, we’ve really started to get into video, we’ve been using video and stuff like that for the last couple of years. What about having your students do that they can take their cell phone and record right off a cell phone, they can. In Canvas, they could use a laptop and record, there’s so many different possibilities. Why not encourage them to use what has become that next centuries technology?

Brent Warner
Yeah, and I think there’s a lot of that to where there are a lot of teachers who are still kind of like bound to traditional ways of doing these finals, right. So it’s like, you got to write a paper or you got to put together a portfolio or whatever else it is right. In my classes, academic writing, of course, they have to write a paper. That is that is the definition of the class, but you could have like so many classes that are like a chemistry class or, you know, a geology class or whatever. And like, they can put together some really cool interesting things that like their writing skills don’t necessarily need to be a direct part of the way for them to show the skills. So I love the idea of like creative video projects or other different types of things that can make it a little bit more engaging for them. And, and, frankly, for the teachers to to evaluate as well.

Tim Van Norman
Right. And remember, you can use Zoom, Google Mead Screencast O Matic has got a free version, you know, they don’t have to spend money to do it. They can do it on their own. Like I said, their cell phones, Canvas even has things built in. They can share screens, PowerPoint presentations, you can really get them engaged. And frankly, a lot of students are really getting into video right now. Anyway,

Brent Warner
yeah, for sure.

Tim Van Norman
I would say YouTube generation, but I think they’re watching you too much more often. Sometimes they’re putting more content up. But there’s, they’re in all kinds of other places where they are putting content. So utilize that get them to do expand and explain their knowledge. Yeah, out. Form.

Brent Warner
Yeah, well, for sure. And I have a student that says, we were talking about, you know, like, an assignment we’re doing and she was going to do a video for it and said, Well, how can I make How can I make the video accessible? And I’m like, Well, you can do YouTube, you can do this, this this. And she’s like, just stop. You just said YouTube. That’s fine. And she’s like, that’s what I’ll do. And that’s easiest. And I know how to do it. Right. So Right. Yeah. So all sorts of different options there. Okay, anything else before we switch?

Tim Van Norman
Yeah. So let’s take a look at final exams. There’s a lot of people coming back to paper. Think about that. How are you going to think about you, you? You know, so this may be your first paper exam that you’re handing out in two years? What are you doing to have it be different than it was last time you handed it out two years ago, which is now published someplace on the internet, and stuff like that. So So think about those things as you’re doing it. I know. We’re a technology show. And yet we’re talking about paper exams. Well, yeah. Think about it. I’m not suggesting that you Oh, you should be doing it a different way. Maybe that is the right way for you. But just consider Not giving the same exam you did two years ago?

Brent Warner
Yeah. Well, at the very least I’m and I mean, there’s also, there’s things that can go with paper too, right? We’ve talked, we’ve still talked about the struggles that math courses have, you know, if you’re having to drop parallelograms, or, you know, whatever else it is, it’s so much easier to do on paper in certain ways. So, so there are definitely good reasons for it. And there are reasons to play around with like, well, what’s the best option? Now? What, what tech? Do the students have access to that there that could be helpful or that might be distracting, etc? Exactly, Tim, I mean, just quickly, one more in here, which is making sure that students know their options for like letter grades versus pass no pass. I know that every school runs this differently. But at our school, they really push back the date for students to be able to make that switch. And so you want to make sure that you’re informing your students this, we’re doing this episode early, because we want to give people enough time to think about these things. But but you know, let your students know when that pass no pass date is if they’re, if they’re going to possibly fail a class, for example, you say, well, it wouldn’t be as bad if you get no pass, right? That’s not going to affect your GPA. And then you could still take it again and replace it with a letter grade later, again, depending on your school’s policies. So just one of the things to continue to think about and kind of recognizing where your students might be. Absolutely. All right, so Tim, I have a zippy tip. This is unfortunately, Mac only, but I’m gonna share it out. So you saw this a little bit earlier, pre pre, pre recording. And there is now with the new Mac OS system, which I think is called Ventura, they have this thing called the continuity camera where you can use your iPhone as a webcam. And essentially, you can mount your webcam, or you can mount your iPhone on top of your monitor. And it’s a pretty powerful camera. So mine looks real good. It’s, you know, it looks similar to my higher quality logic cam, one that I normally use, which I’m using right now as we’re talking but, but it looks a lot better than my Mac’s little tiny half a millimeter camera that’s built right into the, into the laptop, right. So anyways, what it does is you can just click a button right on your screen, it recognizes that your phone is there, and you can use your, you can use your iPhone as a camera, and then it has these cool little features. One is called I think center stage. So if you move around the even though the iPhone itself isn’t moving the camera tracks you, right, and so it kind of it kind of focuses on a little bit. And then if I lean over to the left, or if I lean over to the right, then it kind of keeps me centered inside of the camera too. So it’s a really cool little feature that I think some other apps have built in the past, but this is built right in now. And it’s and you know, just kind of in the Mac ecosystem, it’s pretty smooth. And so there’s a lot of interesting features, including an option to turn it into a quick little document camera. And it’ll just point the camera down, kind of use the algorithm to point the camera down. And you can actually write on a piece of paper and it will reflect that out clearly. So students can kind of see you writing right there if you’re if you’re on Zoom or something like that. So it’s pretty amazing. It is cool. Continuity camera, we’ll leave a link to it in the show notes on on the with an iPhone and a Mac.

Tim Van Norman
So prepping for spring, as we look at the Spring semester, what we’re doing. Brent, what are you thinking about? And what are you finding that people should do? Or you’re doing to prep for spring? And we got a lot of different things in this list. I’m

Brent Warner
glad we’re talking about it now. Because really, my brain is like, oh, do I really I have to go there already. But it is good. Because once we start talking about it, then I start kind of okay, yeah, let’s let’s start planning for this, let’s start getting those things. So there are a couple of things. There’s actually quite a lot of things, of course, as always, but I’m going to start with recording videos for your class. So. So I think one of the things that you can do that I that I have been wanting to do, and I just haven’t made the time to do it. One of my classes is the adult ESL class where students have open enrollment, so they can kind of join it any, almost anytime throughout the semester. And what happens? I know that most of our listeners don’t have a class like that. It’s fairly unusual in this system. But what does happen is that students during the class and they kind of don’t know exactly what’s going on, that takes a little while for them to get their bearings, right. And so one of the things that I’ve been wanting to do is to make an introduction video that can be used all year long. And then the and then I wanted to put it into play posit, because then it can have pauses for students to talk back to me in the video, and to show that they understand the things that I’m talking about, like the regular processes, so hey, you know, do you understand how to use a Google Doc? I’ll talk about that for one or two minutes. And then they’ll click on a button that says, Yes, I understand or No, I need help. Do you? Tell me a little bit about yourself, and they can record a brief introduction of themselves, right? A few of those things that I kind of get lost when just students walk into class one day, and we’re already moving. And so I’m going to be doing some video introductions with play posit, so students can actually use that to introduce themselves back to me, if you have an asynchronous class, you could certainly do something like that. And then also be planning for some tutorial videos. One if I’m using some new technology, or to kind of paying attention throughout the semester, Hey, what are students been struggling with? What is it taking them a while to get figured out, and then make a make a couple of tutorial videos. And again, I always like to do it myself, rather than just going out and finding a YouTube video, because I want them to hear my voice and to hear them understand my expectations of how they’re going through it. So those would be a couple of videos that I’m going to be planning on recording in preparation for the new semester.

Tim Van Norman
To add to that last one, just or to add on to that last one. This is also a really good time to think back about what trouble you’ve seen, you were mentioning that before? Well, if a student this semester has a problem, likely a student next semester is going to have the same problem. Rather than wait until next semester and go oh, I should have if you’re thinking about it now write it down, do a video, do a PDF, whatever it get that information so that the student next semester has something to help them through. Yeah, so yeah, absolutely. I love that. So along those lines, there’s some really cool features in zoom that have just come out. And so if you’re using the zoom synchronous, especially, there’s a team chat. So I know, in a lot of places, people are using teams, Microsoft teams. Team chat now in zoom has the ability to click a button. And now you can have a meeting with the people that are in your group. You can create groups, there’s just it’s a full chat system now are much more full than it was before. So check out that if you’re already using zoom, this is a really nice add on to it.

Brent Warner
And also, the chats are persistent to now.

Tim Van Norman
So the chat is persistent. That not the chat inside of your meeting, the chat in that is so you can have a chat you and I for instance, can have a standing meeting. But it’s we would have a team chat that’s constantly going on. And that is persistent. And we could while in the meeting, chat back and forth and stuff, too. So it is it’s still trying to figure out the nuances between the two systems and how it’s going to work best. But they’ve really stepped up their game on that. The other is they’ve had it for a while. But they’ve really enhanced their schedule integration with Outlook. Okay, now, it’s really easy create a meeting on either Outlook or in zoom, and it shows up to the other immediately, and stuff like that. So there’s they’ve just really enhanced that as well. But think about that for your students. Think about that for for your classes, could you do something and have one place where people can contact you? Maybe it’s outside of Canvas, because, frankly, Zoom can be sitting on their cell phone. And they don’t have to have a paid account to use it. They can use a free account to do that. So just something to think about? Yeah, especially as you’re moving on, and you’re looking at what options are available.

Brent Warner
So my next one is short, but and I think this is something that hopefully people do every time but update your syllabus, and in particular, check the link. So the reason I bring this one up, Tim is because we have had a massive website overhaul at IVC. And none of the links work. None of the old links work, right. They’re all they shoot off to nothing or whatever else it is. So take the time and just go double check. Sometimes the pages that you think you were linking to are gone. Or maybe it’s a service that you know, is no longer paid for by the school or whatever else it is. So obviously checking the syllabus is something that you shouldn’t be doing every semester, but a lot of times I think we you know, a lot of teachers kind of go Oh, yeah, well, it’s pretty much the same as last semester. So let’s just zip through it and just kind of update the you know, the catalog number and the hours and whatever and then that’s it, but it is good to go back and, you know, spend that extra 10 minutes and just click each link and go clear, clear, clear, clear, clear and And then, and then you know that you’re giving your students something appropriate.

Tim Van Norman
Well along that line, do that for your whole class. So in Canvas, a, I know, it’s daunting, but in Canvas, there’s actually a button in settings where you can click on it, and it will validate all of the links in your class. So run that. And it will make your life a whole lot easier in the middle of the semester, or at the start of the semester when all the students all the sudden say, but I can’t get to whatever. So it Canvas is a really good job of finding that. So utilize it, it’s a great tool. So along these lines, as weird, we keep on going, and you’re looking at next semester, find out where you’re going to be teaching your class, can you get on campus now, you might not be able to right before classes start. But can you get on campus now and check out your room? Yeah. What is the layout? What technology is in there? Are you used to it because even on campus, you might be on campus in one room and move to the next room. And it’s got different technology, or different layout?

Brent Warner
Yeah, we have a couple of examples of that on campus. Little things that can be small or bigger things that can be bigger, right? So one of those things, too is, if there’s a computer refresh, right, then sometimes depending on your system, at your school, whatever it is, right? Sometimes it takes a long time to log in that first time. We’ve mentioned this several times in different episodes, but it’s always good to get in and get that first login, because sometimes it takes like 10 minutes or something like that. It’s like oh my gosh, right. And so you know, you don’t want to do that the first 10 minutes as you’re prepping for class and trying to get everything going. So yeah, everything you can get on campus and check is good. Next up is, again, just planning through the for the future semester, this is something that I tend to forget. But it’s really important for my student base, which is recognizing the upcoming holidays or culturally relevant events that might be happening throughout the semester, right and trying to Elise plan information, if not like mini lessons or something that is, you know, connected to it throughout the semester. So hey, I know, you know, there’s some of the obvious ones major holidays, right? But there could be smaller holidays. Or if you have a large student population from a different part of the world. And they all celebrate XYZ, right? Can you do something that’s going to show a little bit of respect for that as well. These are just things that you can at least start putting in your head right now. Right? Not that you have to make any major moves for it right now. But you could kind of start looking, go check out a calendar, check out some of those international holidays, calendars, etc. It might just be a nice way to lessen your burden at the last moment as you’re stepping into those types of days and events.

Tim Van Norman
And even ask your current students Yeah, oh, yeah. You know, they’re, they love when you can ask them questions that they actually really do know the answer to. And you don’t. So yeah, that’s good. So as we think about copying your course into the new semester, consider, like I said before, validating links, but also validate your LTI is go into every assignment that you use that you got, turn it in for, click on it and make sure that turn it in comes up, make sure Proctorio works make sure Pearson Cengage whatever you’re using in your class, just make sure that it works in every case,

Brent Warner
“But it worked last semester, what happened?!” (laughter)

Tim Van Norman
Oh, and by the way, you know, we’re how many weeks into the semester? and I just got another call about one like that, just this last week. So understand that, yes, you want to have that prepared ahead of time. If you don’t know how to fix it, you can hit you have time to fix it. You don’t have time when your assignments were due on Sunday, and you find out on Monday morning when you look at the emails from the students that none of them could take the test. So anything you can do to prepare that is going to help you that said also check all of the places you’ve got images. And you don’t have to be really detailed but even just flipping through question banks and just running down them, do all the images, work, scroll, anything like that, that you can just quickly see if the images are there. It saves you time and frustration when it’s not if you can know now versus when it’s due.

Brent Warner
And also with those accessibility checkers this might be a good time to go in and put your descriptive images or alt text on some of those ones that are missing. So just Yeah, hey, I’m going to set aside now we’re going to try and get through as many of these as I can. Exactly cool. Um, I’m gonna throw in one we’ve talked about this sometimes Tim but it was like the idea Every semester, try one new tool. All right. And so what is your new tool for the next semester going to be? It could be a tool, it could be a platform that you want to explore this semester. Now’s the time right? Start looking at it, start figuring out a little bit of it so that you can kind of understand how to play with it, how you might integrate it with your class, if it’s something you’ve been hearing other colleagues talking about, but you’ve never used it before, right? And you’re going, Oh, well, maybe this is the semester that I’ll try it, right. But you don’t want to just try it with your students blind, you want to have experimented and played with a little bit. So it would be a good idea to do that. If you have a colleague that you can use as kind of your bounce back partner, right? Hey, would you mind checking this and seeing what you see, and then I’ll check it and see what I see. That’s always a good and useful conversation. Mine this next semester, I bought this, but I haven’t started playing with it yet, which is doodly. That’s the little one that like you, it puts pictures and it puts the hand on it, and it draws, it kind of draws those videos that kind of walk you through something so so the little fake hand comes up, and it whiteboards a picture onto the thing, and then you narrate over it. So I got that tool, it’s not very expensive, you know, you can get a license for you know, depending on the time 50 or 60 bucks or something like that. But it lasts forever, it’s a one time payment thing, it’s if you’re gonna get doodly, by the way, do a little searching, you can always find the access to the one time payment version, or the very expensive pay by month thing that nobody’s really expected to use. So. So doodlee is an option that is the one that I’m going to try and explore. But whatever works for you, whatever you need to do check it out.

Tim Van Norman
The other is, we’re looking at winter break. It’s a time when you’re away from your students, you’re doing things different. Think about professional development opportunities. It could be online classes, it could be YouTube videos, it can be looking at something put together by your favorite vendor, it can be whatever it is, but think about learning something, expanding your, your view of the world of what’s going on. In classes, there are so many things happening right now, in technology, and especially technology with regard to education, that it’s really worth at least becoming a little bit aware of some of these things. So that and I know for us, we have professional development week, the week right before classes start. And that’s an opportunity, again, to learn a lot of things about what is going on, on campus, in education in general, just a lot of different tools that are available to do that. So take a look, you know, the whole LinkedIn learning, they whatever that is that you’ve got access to, as well as professional development week, this is a time for you to learn. And, you know, most people are a lot of people became teachers because they love learning. So take advantage of that.

Brent Warner
I’m going to throw one thing on top of that, Tim, if we have adjunct professors listening, I’ve noticed that our school a lot of times the adjuncts don’t come to the Professional Development Week, it’s a little bit more of the full timers. But there’s so many good sessions and so many interesting things going on. I really think it’s worth taking advantage of. I know that it’s another week unpaid, right, so you’re just showing up but like, in a sense, you know, you’re not paying for any of the things either and so even just one day or you know, a couple of sessions, just seeing if they’re available online or whatever else it is, it is worth taking a look at those. And popping in every once in a while if you can, again, I you know be protective of your time, but also be wise with it as well. So, take a look.

Tim Van Norman
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Brent Warner
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Tim Van Norman
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Brent Warner
And if you want to reach out to me about the show, you can find me on Twitter, Instagram or LinkedIn at Brent Warner and I’m also experimenting I’m not sure I’m I don’t know what’s going on with Twitter these days. There’s a little bit of a last minute throw in but it is wild over there right now. So I am also experimenting with the significantly less user friendly Mastodon but there’s a very cool community over there too. So, so if you want to find me on Mastodon, those are harder. Those Those are not quite as simple because they all have their different instances. But it’s I think it’s at @BrentGWarner@mstdn.social. Give it a try. If you’re if you’re ambitious, that might be your that might be your winter project to look into.

Tim Van Norman
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Brent Warner
and I’m Brent Warner. And we hope this episode has helped you on the road from possibility to actuality. Have a good one, everybody